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Swamiji in his 'purvasramam' hails from a traditional vedic family. He has done Veda Adhyayanam and is a 'Ganapati' himself. He is also familiar with Sama Vedam as his guru at Veda Patashala was a 'Dwivedi' (master of 2 vedas). We are fortunate to have his view point on this vision document.
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Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Absolutely essential – I agree.
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Yes
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
3 years are sufficient. If required, on student’s request duration may be extended by a year.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
It is sufficient, if all that has been conceived by you are implemented.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Indulging only in Dharmic means of occupation, by the grace of divine power, they should try to induce dharmic practices in all the means of occupations.
What are the special skills required for the above?
Divine grace, would eventually lead to glory.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
Everything has been clearly conceived by you. No doubt, that your vision is a graceful expression of the Sanathana Dharma Devatha.
Heartfelt Blessings!!
With love
‘Om’
Omkarananda
Thursday, October 18, 2007
Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Feedback from Sri.R.Venkataraman, Chennai
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Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Yes fully
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Yes! Interface to be residential.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Aim for the first phase for interface, is to bring Veda Adhyayis to 10th or 10+2 level. Now the TN Government is proposing to streamline the pattern of education.(Matric/ SSLC/10+2 etc). Hence for the forth coming students, four year duration of coaching / training will suffice.
Depending on the response, viz no of students, the augumented course of further studies and availability of full-time/part-time faculty members and infrastructure availability the duration can be enhanced.
The duration for the present can be very well assessed by school teaching staff instead of others- whom though they are interested in this.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
For the first phase, aiming at 10+2 level,
English, Samskritham and Tamil
Science, Maths, Commerce/Accountancy
Computer application and internet
Meditation/Yoga (just to relax the students) occasional, say weekly once, discourses on Vedas by scholars, to keep the students in touch as a refresher course.
In the second phase, if deemed fit, advanced courses/applications can be imparted depending on strength of such aspirants.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Teachers/professors in schools and colleges in samskritam or in the stream he has chosen his further studies (English/Economics/Accounts etc)
Chartered Accountants / Auditors / Accounts staff
Bank Officers and Tally jobs
Draughtsman – civil/ electrical etc
Own business of any kind
The above shall not interfere with his attending the advanced Adhyayanam, continuing the Veda dharma he studied and at time imparting the accumulated knowledge with the students at interface.
They boys to be stressed, while in their stay at interface that they must devote some time in bring up the interface and the Adhyayis by extending assistance. (Not mere financial assistance)
What are the special skills required for the above?
Computer applications
Arrangement (in the 2nd and subsequent phases) for lectures/demonstrations by experts regarding the present situation of advanced technology (by sponsors only)
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
This will all depend on the initial setup and further development in co-ordination with the demand.
Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Yes fully
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Yes! Interface to be residential.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Aim for the first phase for interface, is to bring Veda Adhyayis to 10th or 10+2 level. Now the TN Government is proposing to streamline the pattern of education.(Matric/ SSLC/10+2 etc). Hence for the forth coming students, four year duration of coaching / training will suffice.
Depending on the response, viz no of students, the augumented course of further studies and availability of full-time/part-time faculty members and infrastructure availability the duration can be enhanced.
The duration for the present can be very well assessed by school teaching staff instead of others- whom though they are interested in this.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
For the first phase, aiming at 10+2 level,
English, Samskritham and Tamil
Science, Maths, Commerce/Accountancy
Computer application and internet
Meditation/Yoga (just to relax the students) occasional, say weekly once, discourses on Vedas by scholars, to keep the students in touch as a refresher course.
In the second phase, if deemed fit, advanced courses/applications can be imparted depending on strength of such aspirants.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Teachers/professors in schools and colleges in samskritam or in the stream he has chosen his further studies (English/Economics/Accounts etc)
Chartered Accountants / Auditors / Accounts staff
Bank Officers and Tally jobs
Draughtsman – civil/ electrical etc
Own business of any kind
The above shall not interfere with his attending the advanced Adhyayanam, continuing the Veda dharma he studied and at time imparting the accumulated knowledge with the students at interface.
They boys to be stressed, while in their stay at interface that they must devote some time in bring up the interface and the Adhyayis by extending assistance. (Not mere financial assistance)
What are the special skills required for the above?
Computer applications
Arrangement (in the 2nd and subsequent phases) for lectures/demonstrations by experts regarding the present situation of advanced technology (by sponsors only)
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
This will all depend on the initial setup and further development in co-ordination with the demand.
Feedback from Gr.Cpt. R.Natarajan
INTERFACE : Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully subscribe
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
If residential the subscribers will be limited. To cover up more population, Internet / CD s / distant education methods are suitable.
Gurukul type of ambience is not the order of the day. Boys are self disciplined and self motivated given the right briefing by the parents
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Short / crash courses will be well received. It is very difficult sustain the interest and motivation in long duration. Like IIM / Computer certification courses it can be for 3 / 6 months initially. Specialization can be for longer duration 1 / 2 years.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
The curriculum should be application oriented towards science and technology. Needs deliberation with veda / Sanskrit researchers / professors.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
It should be amalgamated with day - today essentials / entertainment of life. HOW? Need to think and deliberate more.
What are the special skills required for the above?
Apart from Vedi’s , radical thinkers/specislists from different fields are mandatory.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
I am interested in implementation.
Any comments that you might want to add…
Let us plan the schedule of action
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully subscribe
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
If residential the subscribers will be limited. To cover up more population, Internet / CD s / distant education methods are suitable.
Gurukul type of ambience is not the order of the day. Boys are self disciplined and self motivated given the right briefing by the parents
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Short / crash courses will be well received. It is very difficult sustain the interest and motivation in long duration. Like IIM / Computer certification courses it can be for 3 / 6 months initially. Specialization can be for longer duration 1 / 2 years.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
The curriculum should be application oriented towards science and technology. Needs deliberation with veda / Sanskrit researchers / professors.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
It should be amalgamated with day - today essentials / entertainment of life. HOW? Need to think and deliberate more.
What are the special skills required for the above?
Apart from Vedi’s , radical thinkers/specislists from different fields are mandatory.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
I am interested in implementation.
Any comments that you might want to add…
Let us plan the schedule of action
Feedback from Sri.K.Suresh
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
I accept the view partially. When the person opts for Veda Adhyana, (whether by compulsion by parents or willingly) what is his/their objective in pursuing Veda adhyana to be clearly defined. They have to be filtered at the admission level itself considering your/elder's view. Otherwise, dropouts from the Pataskala which is very high in vaideka population make a mess in the believers, which is the present condition.
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
It can be like a school for which the participant can pay, but with full facilities could be offered like in a crash course. This cannot be free, since everything has its own cost. Further this is for the benefit of the participant/vaidikas.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
It can be for 2 years and can be imparted after basic Veda samhita is finished in the patasala. This cannot be done parallel/ simultaneously during Veda adhyayana unless those people are very bright and having interest.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
It can consist of English, Sanskrit grammar, mathematics, needhi sastras, Kala vidhana, panchanga and basics of astronomy (not astrology).
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
This depends on their qualification and ability. Otherwise they can do small business like book shop, investment in shares, teach Sanskrit or moral instruction class in schools etc. They can teach Veda sincerely in morning or evening to their aastikas depending on his time. If they involve in other works, then they cannot concentrate in his own/basic works.
What are the special skills required for the above?
They have to be thorough in their subject and they should practice truth. They will get everything they require.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
I can give more inputs through mail though I cannot participate personally since I am away from Chennai.
Any comments that you might want to add…
The attitude of the vaidikas could be changed, so that they mingle with normal people who are ignorant. The vaidikas to impart the required knowledge to the grahastas in such a way that, they will come to a particular level of understanding. The vaidikas to concentrate on the work for which he has come and to be punctual in his timings like a professional and command respect. Now the vaidikam is depending on how much a sastrigal speak in favour of grahastas without considering what is required.
Further, there is no identity of level of education among the vaidikas. Many school drop outs, unemployed or retired person who does not know Sanskrit, no knowledge about Veda has come to upadhyayam. The Grahastas does not know about this. What they know is a male wearing panchagaja with or without kudumi/sikha and who can speak well and charge less for a homa/japa. These vaidikas do not know to chant the Veda mantra with sandhi or does not know to split the sandhi pada or vaakya in difficult situations. They were assistants for a vaidika and by hearing the mantra in split form, they also become a sastrigal. The pathetic situation is, after acquiring the name "sastrigal" in grahasta world, they don't want to upgrade themselves to be fit enough and employ ghanapati or learned pundits in function under their command and treat in a different manner. So the problem is of two types:
(i) To identify a correct person as a sastrigal and (ii) treatment of learned pundits among the vaidikas. Once it is done, then there are chances that Veda will be protected to some extent without deterioration.
I accept the view partially. When the person opts for Veda Adhyana, (whether by compulsion by parents or willingly) what is his/their objective in pursuing Veda adhyana to be clearly defined. They have to be filtered at the admission level itself considering your/elder's view. Otherwise, dropouts from the Pataskala which is very high in vaideka population make a mess in the believers, which is the present condition.
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
It can be like a school for which the participant can pay, but with full facilities could be offered like in a crash course. This cannot be free, since everything has its own cost. Further this is for the benefit of the participant/vaidikas.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
It can be for 2 years and can be imparted after basic Veda samhita is finished in the patasala. This cannot be done parallel/ simultaneously during Veda adhyayana unless those people are very bright and having interest.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
It can consist of English, Sanskrit grammar, mathematics, needhi sastras, Kala vidhana, panchanga and basics of astronomy (not astrology).
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
This depends on their qualification and ability. Otherwise they can do small business like book shop, investment in shares, teach Sanskrit or moral instruction class in schools etc. They can teach Veda sincerely in morning or evening to their aastikas depending on his time. If they involve in other works, then they cannot concentrate in his own/basic works.
What are the special skills required for the above?
They have to be thorough in their subject and they should practice truth. They will get everything they require.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
I can give more inputs through mail though I cannot participate personally since I am away from Chennai.
Any comments that you might want to add…
The attitude of the vaidikas could be changed, so that they mingle with normal people who are ignorant. The vaidikas to impart the required knowledge to the grahastas in such a way that, they will come to a particular level of understanding. The vaidikas to concentrate on the work for which he has come and to be punctual in his timings like a professional and command respect. Now the vaidikam is depending on how much a sastrigal speak in favour of grahastas without considering what is required.
Further, there is no identity of level of education among the vaidikas. Many school drop outs, unemployed or retired person who does not know Sanskrit, no knowledge about Veda has come to upadhyayam. The Grahastas does not know about this. What they know is a male wearing panchagaja with or without kudumi/sikha and who can speak well and charge less for a homa/japa. These vaidikas do not know to chant the Veda mantra with sandhi or does not know to split the sandhi pada or vaakya in difficult situations. They were assistants for a vaidika and by hearing the mantra in split form, they also become a sastrigal. The pathetic situation is, after acquiring the name "sastrigal" in grahasta world, they don't want to upgrade themselves to be fit enough and employ ghanapati or learned pundits in function under their command and treat in a different manner. So the problem is of two types:
(i) To identify a correct person as a sastrigal and (ii) treatment of learned pundits among the vaidikas. Once it is done, then there are chances that Veda will be protected to some extent without deterioration.
Tuesday, October 16, 2007
Feedback from Smt.V.Savithri, Chennai
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Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully!!
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Yes
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
3 years
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
I am 60 and too old to comment on this aspect.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Brahmins should accept Daanam and should give Daanam. It is imperative, that Brahmins should make money – for himself, his family’s well-being and also ‘yatha-shakti Daanam’. Let there be no hypocrisy about this and there should be no misgivings also. It is therefore obvious, that if the means are Dharmic and in line with the shastras, (as outlined in the question itself) any activity to his capability can be taken up. The occupation that they would eventually take up obviously would be in line with his ‘vaasana’.
What are the special skills required for the above?
All necessary skills to make a decent living and samskarams to mellow down his negative ‘vaasanas’ to lead a dharmic life
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
Even the Rishis who offered the Vedas and the Upanishads confirm that they are only mantra drashtas (mantra perceivers) not mantra karthas (mantra composers). They confirm that the Vedas existed even before them. Vedam therefore was / is ever existent. We should not/can not ‘Protect it’ per say by having few erudite scholars as ‘exclusive Palakaas’ and all other brahmins being ‘exclusive Poshakaas’.
Vedam should/can be promoted in the spirit “let’s learn/ practice Vedam to be the guiding force and derive goodness and all round prosperity out of it”. ‘Interface’ surely is an encouragement to learn Vedam in this spirit. - All the very best.
Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully!!
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Yes
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
3 years
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
I am 60 and too old to comment on this aspect.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Brahmins should accept Daanam and should give Daanam. It is imperative, that Brahmins should make money – for himself, his family’s well-being and also ‘yatha-shakti Daanam’. Let there be no hypocrisy about this and there should be no misgivings also. It is therefore obvious, that if the means are Dharmic and in line with the shastras, (as outlined in the question itself) any activity to his capability can be taken up. The occupation that they would eventually take up obviously would be in line with his ‘vaasana’.
What are the special skills required for the above?
All necessary skills to make a decent living and samskarams to mellow down his negative ‘vaasanas’ to lead a dharmic life
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
Even the Rishis who offered the Vedas and the Upanishads confirm that they are only mantra drashtas (mantra perceivers) not mantra karthas (mantra composers). They confirm that the Vedas existed even before them. Vedam therefore was / is ever existent. We should not/can not ‘Protect it’ per say by having few erudite scholars as ‘exclusive Palakaas’ and all other brahmins being ‘exclusive Poshakaas’.
Vedam should/can be promoted in the spirit “let’s learn/ practice Vedam to be the guiding force and derive goodness and all round prosperity out of it”. ‘Interface’ surely is an encouragement to learn Vedam in this spirit. - All the very best.
Sunday, October 14, 2007
Feedback from Smt.R.Vidhyapriya, Chennai
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Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Depends on the convenience and capability of the student
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Minimum of 3 years
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
General Knowledge, Abacus, English speaking, computer applications and all the academic subjects for passing out 8th, 10th, 12th with flying colors
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Diploma in engineering, Charted Engineers, Charted Accountants, Laboratory Assistants, Librarians, Teachers especially languages and computer science, Private tutorials for kids, home tuitions, net tuitions, Ayurveda and Homeopathy doctors, consultants to firms (after experience)
What are the special skills required for the above?
Open school for passing out of candidates (10th, 12th and further studies)
Scout for like minded industrialists / business houses who can further train the Adhyayis to their specific needs (the business houses should be accomodative for anushtanams of the boys)
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
Both parents and students should cooperate to make interface a successful program. “Be the change you want to see”
Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Fully
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
Depends on the convenience and capability of the student
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
Minimum of 3 years
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
General Knowledge, Abacus, English speaking, computer applications and all the academic subjects for passing out 8th, 10th, 12th with flying colors
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
Diploma in engineering, Charted Engineers, Charted Accountants, Laboratory Assistants, Librarians, Teachers especially languages and computer science, Private tutorials for kids, home tuitions, net tuitions, Ayurveda and Homeopathy doctors, consultants to firms (after experience)
What are the special skills required for the above?
Open school for passing out of candidates (10th, 12th and further studies)
Scout for like minded industrialists / business houses who can further train the Adhyayis to their specific needs (the business houses should be accomodative for anushtanams of the boys)
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
Yes
Any comments that you might want to add…
Both parents and students should cooperate to make interface a successful program. “Be the change you want to see”
Feedback from Dr.Sri.T.Vasudevan, Cuddalore
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Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Yes
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
It could be both residential and non residential though the desired result could be only obtained fully if residential.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
it could start even before they finish the veda adyayanam. it could think of arranging programs for the anadyayana days with willing vedic schools. The participation could be
1.creating a outline/sylabus.
2.providing sources material/ human
3.pracaram of the concept.
as there is an urgency for the boys to start earning anything more than 2 years after veda adyayanam may not be sustainable.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
1. speaking samskrit, english
2. writing in tamil (or mother tongue) samskrit and english.
3. ability to type in the above languages and basic computer operations
4. ability to do day to day relevant mathematics and accounting.
5. ability to do do pravacanam, homam properly.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
travel and attending "fixed-time" office are the main stumbling blocks for observing anushtanam. so any job- preferably self employed- where one can determine the days of work and timing can work; translation work, DTP, teaching are some that spring to mind.
What are the special skills required for the above?
apart from he above mentioned subjects in the curriculum creating a mind set is very important. we should create a lot of confidence in the person that he can and will make a living as envisaged.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
yes.
Any comments that you might want to add…We should think of taking part time veda classes for the laukikas. Apart from making them learn some basic parts of veda it will sustain an interest in veda in the society and families that come in touch with such classes will have interest and much less inhibition if their children are to learn veda.
Feedback
Do you share this view positively (Partially/Fully)? If not, please elucidate.
Yes
Should ‘Interface’ be Residential?
It could be both residential and non residential though the desired result could be only obtained fully if residential.
What should be the duration of ‘Interface’ (less than 3 years, 4 years, more than that?)
it could start even before they finish the veda adyayanam. it could think of arranging programs for the anadyayana days with willing vedic schools. The participation could be
1.creating a outline/sylabus.
2.providing sources material/ human
3.pracaram of the concept.
as there is an urgency for the boys to start earning anything more than 2 years after veda adyayanam may not be sustainable.
What should be the subjects / curriculum to be covered in this program?
1. speaking samskrit, english
2. writing in tamil (or mother tongue) samskrit and english.
3. ability to type in the above languages and basic computer operations
4. ability to do day to day relevant mathematics and accounting.
5. ability to do do pravacanam, homam properly.
What are the options for the Adhyayi‘s to pursue in the Loukika world apart from Vaideekam such that they are also able to conduct their anushtanam without fail?
travel and attending "fixed-time" office are the main stumbling blocks for observing anushtanam. so any job- preferably self employed- where one can determine the days of work and timing can work; translation work, DTP, teaching are some that spring to mind.
What are the special skills required for the above?
apart from he above mentioned subjects in the curriculum creating a mind set is very important. we should create a lot of confidence in the person that he can and will make a living as envisaged.
Would you be interested in further discussions on this issue? Would it be possible to ensure personal participation for discussions?
yes.
Any comments that you might want to add…We should think of taking part time veda classes for the laukikas. Apart from making them learn some basic parts of veda it will sustain an interest in veda in the society and families that come in touch with such classes will have interest and much less inhibition if their children are to learn veda.
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